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Mario Derksen of Novus Ordo Watch Denies the Dogma of Indefectibility

 

Mario Derksen of Novus Ordo Watch Denies the Dogma of Indefectibility
 (and ALL Sedevacantists do the same)


John Salza, J.D.
October A.D. 2024

 

            When we recently challenged Sedevacantist Mario Derksen of Novus Ordo Watch to tell us which bishops in the world today have jurisdiction, he first expressed his ignorance about this dogmatic necessity as it pertains to the Church’s attribute of indefectibility (that Christ’s Church will always have a College of Bishops with mission and jurisdiction from the Pope until the end of time). He then ended by effectively denying the dogma. 

     We asked: “Do any Bishops in the world today have ordinary jurisdiction?” (September 5, 2024, 4.28pm).

 

     Derksen responded: “If Catholic dogma requires it, then there are some today. But if Francis is Pope, then none of this matters.” (September 5, 2024, 4.39pm). 

            “If” Catholic dogma requires it? Is Mr. Dersken serious? Unfortunately, he is. This statement reveals the depth of Derksen’s theological ignorance as well as the end to which the errors of the Sedevacantism have led him. It is a dogma of the Faith that the Catholic Church will exist as Christ founded it (One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic) until the end of time. The perpetual existence of the true Church as Christ originally founded it is called indefectibility. This promise of Christ applies to the visible structure of the Church (members, including prelates, naturally come and go over time, but the structure, as Christ founded it, remains the same).

To elaborate, when Christ established the Church, He created the Apostolic College (of Bishops) or Teaching Office of the Church (Mt 18:18), of which the Pope is the visible head or rock (Mt. 16:18). This is the divine structure of the Church (the Papacy and College of Bishops) against which “the gates of hell shall not prevail.” This is the indefectible structure which, through apostolic succession, perdures throughout the centuries. Through this structure, Christ’s mission of salvation is carried out until the end of time, and to deny that this structure continues to carry out this mission – which is another grave error of Mario Derksen and his fellow Sedevacantist heretics – is to affirm that Christ has failed to keep his Promise “I will be with you all days, even the consummation of the world” (Mt. 20:28), and the Holy Ghost has failed in His mission of preserving the Church. Thus, in St. Peter and the Apostles, Our Lord created the Papacy and Apostolic College; and, just as He chose His Apostles and gave them the authority (mission and jurisdiction) to teach, sanctify and govern (Jn 20:21; Rom 10:15), so does the Vicar of Christ choose and send the successors to the Apostles to do the same, in this identical ecclesiastical structure, until the end of time.

This means the Church will always have a body of Bishops who have been chosen and sent (with canonical mission and jurisdiction) from the Pope. Even when the Pope dies, the body of Bishops with the mission and jurisdiction that the bishops have received from the Pope continues to exist. If this divine institution ever ceased to exist, as Derksen and his Sedevacantist colleagues falsely claim, the Church as Christ founded it would cease to exist, because the Church would no longer be “Apostolic” (apostolicity is the mark of the Church which refers to this perpetual existence of the body of Bishops with ordinary jurisdiction, who were chosen by and given mission and jurisdiction from the Pope).[1] If the Church ever lacked a body of bishops with ordinary jurisdiction, she would cease to exist as Christ founded her, and hence the indefectible Church would have defected, which is not possible. But that is indeed where the error of Sedevacantism necessarily leads, since bishops can only receive their jurisdiction from a Pope, as Pius XII teaches.

Antipope Hadrian VII, founder of the CMRI

While Derksen might give lip service to the dogma of indefectibility, he cannot reconcile the dogma with his Sedevacantist heresy, and that is precisely why (1) he dares to question whether the dogma even exists; (2) he cannot actually name any bishops with jurisdiction, which is a practical denial of the dogma; (3) and, finally, throws in the towel by saying “none of this matters,” which is an outright denial of the dogma. Derksen’s rejection of a fundamental Catholic dogma, which is professed in the Creed every Sunday, has caused him to leave the Roman Catholic Church and join a Sedevacantist sect called the CMRI. This sect was founded by Francis Schuckhardt, a mentally-deranged individual who went from laymen to “bishop” in one day in a Chicago hotel, at the hands of another schismastic, Daniel Q. Brown, of the “Old Catholic” sect, who would actually denounce “the Schuckhardt cult” within two years of Schuckhardt’s “ordination” and “consecration.” But the founder of Mario's sect didn't stop there: seven years later Schuckardt claimed to have been secretly crowned Pope by the Blessed Mother!.  He subsequently took the papal name Hadrian VII (see picture on right).  Schuckardt split from the CMRI six years later (1984) when it was revealed that he had been sexually assaulting his seminarians "for at least a decade".  But the sect Schuckardt founded - the CMRI - lives on to this day, continues the work of its founder, by deceiving and being deceived.

The foregoing is a summation of why Derksen, and all Sedevacantists, reject the Catholic dogma of indefectibility. For those who would like a further explication of the pertinent theology, please keep reading. 

There Will Always be a College of Bishops
(who are chosen and sent by the Pope)

         Contrary to the Sedevacantist heresy, it is de fide that the Church will always be governed by a body of bishops (the Episcopal College) who have been chosen and sent by the Pope (with mission and jurisdiction); or, before the Council of Trent, chosen and sent by a Patriarch who was authorized to do so. The First Vatican Council’s Dogmatic Constitution of the Church teaches the Church will have shepherds and teachers – that is, those who have been lawfully given the authority to teach and govern – until the end of time:

The eternal shepherd and guardian of our souls, in order to render permanent the saving work of redemption, determined to build a Church in which, as in the house of the living God, all the faithful should be linked by the bond of one faith and charity. … So then, just as he sent apostles, whom he chose out of the world, (Jn 15, 19), even as he had been sent by the Father (Jn. 20,21), in like manner it was his will that in his Church there should be shepherds and teachers until the end of time.

      Commenting on the infallible doctrine of Vatican I, Salaverri wrote: 

The First Vatican Council at least implicitly defined: a) that the Magisterium was divinely instituted in the Apostles (D 2013, 2018); … c) that the Magisterium instituted by Christ is going to continue perennially (D 3050-3052,371).

    The Council of Trent also solemnly declared the following: 

If anyone saith, that, in the Catholic Church there is not a hierarchy by divine ordination instituted, consisting of bishops, priests, and ministers; let him be anathema. (The Council of Trent, On the Sacrament of Order, Canon VI.) 

         Notice that Trent does not mention the Pope in this canon which, of course, it does elsewhere in its teaching. This is because, in this particular canon, Trent was not primarily defining the structure of the Church or the rank of its ministers (or it would have mentioned the Pope), but rather that the structure Christ established will always exist (which the Protestants denied).[2] Because the council obviously recognized there are interregna after Popes die, but the Catholic Church continues to exist during these periods, it refers to “bishops, priests and ministers” as the constantly perduring “hierarchy by divine ordination instituted,” that is, the perpetual existence of those men who have been received and sent by the Pope through juridical mission, even in the absence of a reigning Pope (due to death or resignation). As Bellarmine explains, “once Episcopal jurisdiction has been conferred, it is not lost when the one who gave it dies, but when the one who receives it dies, or when someone who is able to do so takes it away.”[3]

Citing the above teaching of Trent as his authority, Van Noort explains it is a dogma of faith that Apostolic College will exist forever, comprised of men with threefold power to teach, govern and sanctify: 

Proposition: It was Christ’s will that the sacred ruling power which had begun in the apostolic college should continue forever.

 

This proposition is concerned with the same threefold power which we have proved to have been given to the apostles. It asserts that this power was granted by Christ with the following stipulation: that it be handed on to an endless line of successors. We are not concerned at the moment with the subordinate co-workers of the apostles. The only point to be proven here is that it was Christ’s will that the apostolic college should continue forever, in such a way that there would always be in the Church a body of men invested with the threefold power which the apostles enjoyed.  This thesis is a dogma of faith, as we know, e.g., from the Council of Trent, Sess. 23, c. 4 (DB 960).[4]

 

Proof:

 

1) From the indestructability of the Church.  Christ willed that His Church should last until the end of time, and in an incorrupt state (nos. 19 ff.). Therefore, He wanted all those things to last forever without which the perpetuity of the Church would be impossible.  But the Church as He founded it is completely dependent on the teaching, priestly, and ruling power of the apostles.  This is clear.  (…) If the preaching, priestly ministration, government of the apostles were to stop, the Church would by that very fact immediately vanish. (…)

 

2) From Christ’s explicit promise. When our Lord gave the apostles their definitive mission to teach, sanctify, and rule, He went on to say, in the clearest of terms, ‘And behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world’[5](Mt 28:20). But how could He possibly be forever present to the apostolic college in the word of teaching, sanctifying, and ruling, unless the college itself were to last forever; unless the apostles were to have a never-ending line of successors in their word of teachers, priests, and rulers.[6]

 

The Oath of Modernism confirms the same by requiring the prelate to affirm his belief that the charism of truth “is, was, and always will be in the Succession of the Episcopacy from the Apostles” (the Apostolic College). 

Thirdly, I believe with equally firm faith that the Church, the guardian and teacher of the revealed word, was personally instituted by the real and historical Christ when he lived among us, and that the Church was built upon Peter, the prince of the apostolic hierarchy, and his successors for the duration of time. (…) I firmly hold, then, and shall hold to my dying breath the belief of the Fathers in the charism of truth, which certainly is, was, and always will be in the Succession of the Episcopacy from the Apostles. 

Again, while it is possible for the Church to exist for a time without a Pope (i.e., during an interregnum), there can never be a time when the entire Teaching Body (the hierarchy) ceases to exist, as Derksen & Co. has been deceived to believe. As Van Noort explained above, it is a dogma of the Faith that there will always be a hierarchy of bishops endowed by the Pope with the threefold power to teach, govern and sanctify. Nor could all the bishops with jurisdiction fall into heresy during an interregnum (as the Sedevacantists say happened at or immediately after Vatican II), without Christ failing in his Promise that “I will be with you all days,” and “the gates of hell shall not prevail” against the Church.

In the magnificent book, Manual of Dogmatic Theology (1906), by Wilhelm and Scannell, we read: 

The Indefectibility of the Teaching Body[7] is at the same time a condition and a consequence of the Indefectibility of the Church. A distinction must, however, be drawn between the Indefectibility of the Head [Pope], and the Indefectibility of the subordinate members [Bishops]. The individual who is the Head may die, but the authority of the Head does not die with him – it is transmitted to his successor. On the other hand, the Teaching Body as a whole could not die or fail without irreparably destroying the continuity of authentic testimony. Again, the Pope’s authority would not be injured if, when not exercising it (extra judicium), he professed a false doctrine, whereas the authenticity of the episcopal testimony would be destroyed if under any circumstances the whole body fell into heresy.[8]

 

       The claim that there is no longer a body of Bishops (or doubting its existence; or refusing to name actual bishops with jurisdiction) is one of the most revealing errors of the Sedevacantist heresy, because it denies the dogma of indefectibility, which is does  by affirming that the Teaching Body, as a whole, fell into heresy, and thus ceased to be part of the Church (becoming, instead, part of the “Conciliar Church” or “Novus Ordo Church”). 

The College of Bishops Preserves Legitimate Apostolic Succession 

       What Derksen & Co. does not understand is that Episcopal Orders (i.e., the sacramental consecration of a bishop, which even the founding “bishop” of Derksen’s sect may have received) is only the material aspect of this apostolic succession; jurisdiction, which is the lawful authority to teach and govern in Christ’s Church, constitutes the formal aspect. Even “bishops” of heretical and schismatic groups, such as the CMRI, SSPV, SSPX, Resistance, etc. possess material succession, but it does not make them legitimate successors of the Apostles nor members of the College of Bishops.

       When a bishop is lawfully consecrated, he becomes a member of the College of Bishops; the bishops in the College collectively share in the universal jurisdiction of the Pope (Mt. 18:17-18). When a bishop is appointed to an episcopal see, he also receives the authority to carry out the rights and duties attached to that office. This papal conferral of mission is referred to as being sent (Romans 10:15).[9]  Christ conferred the apostolic mission on the Apostles when He said, “as the Father has sent me, I also send you” (John 20:21), and the Church confers the same mission and authority on the bishops when they are sent. This authority makes them a legitimate successor of the Apostles and member of the Teaching Church, or hierarchy (none of the “bishops” of the SSPX, Sedevacantist, Old Catholic or independent sects have been sent by the Church; they have neither title, nor office, nor mission, nor jurisdiction, but remain acephalous clerics, “with no head”).

      R. P. Herrmann elaborates on this point in Theologiæ Dogmaticæ Institutiones: 

Succession may be material or formal. Material succession consists in the fact that there have never been lacking persons who have continuously been substituted for the Apostles; formal succession consists in the fact that these substituted persons truly enjoy authority derived from the Apostles and received from him who is able to communicate it. For someone to be made a successor of the Apostles and pastor of the Church, the power of order — which is always validly conferred by virtue of ordination — is not enough; the power of jurisdiction is also required, and this is conferred not by virtue of ordination but by virtue of a mission received from him to whom Christ has entrusted the supreme power over the universal Church [i.e., the Roman Pontiff].[10]  

        In the following quotation, Van Noort explains how a person can be sure that “this or that bishop should be counted as a legitimate successor of the apostles”:

 

It has already been established (see no. 34) that bishops succeeded to the position in the Church originally filled by the apostles. But as was pointed out, this succession does not mean that a particular bishop succeeded to the job of a particular apostle (…) Rather, it means that the college of bishops, viewed collectively, succeeded the apostolic college, viewed collectively. It may be asked then: “How can you be sure that this o that bishop should be counted as a legitimate successor of the apostles.” Obviously, a man does not become a genuine successor to the Apostles merely by arrogating to himself the title of ‘bishop,’ or by carrying on in some fashion a function once performed by the Apostles. Neither is it enough for a man merely to possess some one, individual power, say for example, the power of orders. – The power of orders can be acquired even illicitly, and once acquired can never be lost. – What is required for genuine apostolic succession is that a man enjoy the complete powers (i.e., ordinary powers, not extraordinary) of an apostle. He must, then, in addition to the power of orders, possess also the power of jurisdiction. Jurisdiction means the power to teach and govern. – This power is conferred only by a legitimate authorization...[11]     

      Van Noort continues: 

How could a man belong to the college of the successors of the apostles unless he were united to the head of the college and acknowledged by him as belonging to it?  Any man, then, who boasts of apostolic succession but is not united to the Roman pontiff, may indeed actually possess the power of orders; he may even by purely physical succession occupy a chair formerly occupied by an apostle - at least he could do so - but he would not be a genuine successor of the apostles in their pastoral office.[12]

        Some theologians use the phrase material successor to refer exclusively to who those lack the formal aspect (mission and jurisdiction from the Pope). This is how Fr. Berry explains material vis-à-vis formal succession in The Church of Christ: 

[S]ome knowledge of succession is necessary for a proper conception of apostolicity of ministry. Succession, as used in this connection, is the following of one person after another in an official position, and may be either legitimate or illegitimate. Theologians call the one formal succession; the other, material. A material successor is one who assumes the official position of another contrary to the laws or constitution of the society in question. He may be called a successor in as much as he actually holds the position, but he has no authority, and his acts have no official value, even though he be ignorant of the illegal tenure of his office. A formal, or legitimate, successor not only succeeds to the place of his predecessor, but also receives due authority to exercise the functions of his office with binding force in the society.  It is evident that authority can be transmitted only by legitimate succession; therefore, the Church must have a legitimate, or formal, succession of pastors to transmit the apostolic authority from age to age.  One who intrudes himself into the ministry against the laws of the Church receives no authority... [13]

        As we have shown above, it is a dogma of the Faith[14] that the Church will always possess a hierarchy of legitimate successors of the Apostles – that is, lawfully ordained bishops with mission and jurisdiction (that is, approved and sent by the Pope). These men are not only validly consecrated bishops (material succession), but possess the three-fold authority to teach, govern and sanctify (formal succession), which is necessary to carry out the mission Christ entrusted to His Church.  This is what makes the true Church “Apostolic,” and why Derksen’s sect is not part of the Catholic Church.

       The Catholic Encyclopedia explains that formal apostolic succession is the surest mark of the true Church: 

Apostolicity is the mark by which the Church of today is recognized as identical with the Church founded by Jesus Christ upon the Apostles. It is of great importance because it is the surest indication of the true Church of Christ. (…) In explaining the concept of Apostolicity, then, special attention must be given to Apostolicity of mission, or Apostolic succession. Apostolicity of mission means that the Church is one moral body, possessing the mission entrusted by Jesus Christ to the Apostles, and transmitted through them and their lawful successors in an unbroken chain to the present representatives of Christ upon earth. This authoritative transmission of power in the Church constitutes Apostolic succession…

 

No one can give a power which he does not possess. Hence in tracing the mission of the Church back to the Apostles, no lacuna can be allowed, no new mission can arise; but the mission conferred by Christ must pass from generation to generation through an uninterrupted lawful succession. The Apostles received it from Christ and gave it in turn to those legitimately appointed by them, and these again selected others to continue the work of the ministry. Any break in this succession destroys Apostolicity, because the break means the beginning of a new series which is not Apostolic. "How shall they preach unless they be sent?" (Romans 10:15) (…) any concept of Apostolicity that excludes authoritative union with the Apostolic mission robs the ministry of its Divine character. Apostolicity, or Apostolic succession, then, means that the mission conferred by Jesus Christ upon the Apostles must pass from them to their legitimate successors, in an unbroken line, until the end of the world.[15] 

The Final Nail in the Coffin:
Jurisdiction Comes from the Pope Alone

 It is precisely because Derksen does not believe we have a Pope that he is forced to conclude there are no bishops in the world today with jurisdiction. Why? Because a bishop’s jurisdiction must come from the Pope, and only the Pope (it does not come “directly from Christ” due to a “state of necessity” or “from the people” as Abp. Lefebvre, the SSPX, the Sedevacantists, the Old Catholics and other independent sects have always maintained). And that is the final nail in the Sedevacantist coffin, because if we don’t have a hierarchy with jurisdiction, then the Church as Christ founded it has defected. As we stated in True or False Pope?, when one rejects the Pope, he ends by rejecting the entire Church, which is exactly what Mario Derksen has done.

This is why Derksen says “If Francis is Pope, then none of this matters.” Indeed, these questions don’t matter to Mario Derksen because he cannot reconcile his Sedevacantist heresy with the dogma of indefectibility and, hence, must brush them off and pretend they don’t matter. The critical questions concerning jurisdiction, mission, apostolicity and indefectibility don’t matter to Derksen because his “church” does not possess the marks and attributes that the true Church does, which he rejects. In short, these questions don’t matter to Derksen because he rejects the Catholic Church and the Catholic Faith.

Ironically, the last Pope Mr. Derksen recognizes repeatedly confirmed this most certain doctrine of the Church throughout his pontificate. For example, in Mystici Corporis Christi (1943), Pope Pius XII teaches that bishops “are subordinate to the lawful authority of the Roman Pontiff,” and receive their jurisdiction “directly from the same Supreme Pontiff.”[16] In Ad Sinarum Gentem (1954), he says: “The power of jurisdiction which is conferred directly by divine right on the Supreme Pontiff comes to bishops by that same right, but only through the successor of Peter, to whom not only the faithful but also all bishops are bound to be constantly subject and to adhere both by the reverence of obedience and by the bond of unity.”[17]  Pius XII repeated the same doctrine in Ad Apostolorum Principis (1958): 

Granted this exception, it follows that bishops who have been neither named nor confirmed by the Apostolic See, but who, on the contrary, have been elected and consecrated in defiance of its express orders, enjoy no powers of teaching or of jurisdiction since jurisdiction passes to bishops only through the Roman Pontiff as We admonished in the encyclical letter Mystici Corporis in the following words: “. . . As far as his own diocese is concerned each (bishop) feeds the flock entrusted to him as a true shepherd and rules it in the name of Christ. Yet in exercising this office they are not altogether independent but are subordinate to the lawful authority of the Roman Pontiff, although enjoying ordinary power of jurisdiction which they receive directly from the same Supreme Pontiff.[18]

 

And when We later addressed to you the letter Ad Sinarum gentem, We again referred to this teaching in these words: “The power of jurisdiction which is conferred directly by divine right on the Supreme Pontiff comes to bishops by that same right, but only through the successor of Peter, to whom not only the faithful but also all bishops are bound to be constantly subject and to adhere both by the reverence of obedience and by the bond of unity.”[19] [20] 

       What Pope Pius XII taught above confirms what the Church has always taught concerning jurisdiction. Four centuries earlier, Cajetan noted that this was the teaching of St. Thomas and “all the Catholic doctors,” and then quotes Pope Leo I who taught the same: 

 All jurisdiction flowed and flows from Peter into all the rest of the Church’s body, according to Pope Leo’s saying in c. Dominus (D. 19 c. 7): “The Lord so wished the sacrament of this gift to belong to the office of all the apostles that He placed it principally in most blessed Peter, the chief of all the apostles, so that from him, as from a head, He might pour out His gifts, as it were, upon the whole body.”[21]  

            As all Catholics know, Christ constituted the Church as a monarchical society, with the Pope as the sole visible head.  In a monarchy, all authority flows down from the top. The Pope receives his authority directly from Christ, and all others receive theirs from the Pope. “All ecclesiastical government is monarchical,” wrote Bellarmine, “therefore all authority is in one man, and it is derived from him to others.”[22]  All bishops, therefore, receive their authority directly from the Pope, and only from the Pope.

As we said above, this is the final nail in Derksen’s Sedevacantist coffin because, if Pius XII were the last Pope, it means none of the bishops currently in charge of Episcopal Sees possess jurisdiction (all of the bishops appointed by Pius XII are dead). If no bishops in the world possess jurisdiction (which is what Derksen actually believes), the Church no longer possesses a hierarchy of legitimate successors of the Apostles, which is part of the Divine Constitution of the Church.  Without a hierarchy, the Church would lack the mark of apostolicity, and therefore would no longer exist as Christ founded it.  The error that Pius XII was the last true Pope leads to the unavoidable conclusion that the gates of hell have prevailed against the Church, which is contrary to dogma of indefectibility and the promises of Our Lord Jesus Christ. 

                Sedevacantist Last Ditch Effort:  Apostolicity in Doctrine?

 Before closing, the reader should anticipate Derksen’s banal response to this article, if he even tries to respond. He and his Sedevacanist colleagues predictably avoid the critical issue that the mark of apostolicity requires a body of Bishops with mission and jurisdiction from the Pope, and instead redirect the discussion to the “doctrine” that these bishops teach (subject, of course, to the private interpretation of Derksen & Company). In other words, Derksen will put the proverbial cart (the doctrine) before the horse (the Teacher of the doctrine).

Unfortunately for Derksen, “apostolicity in the doctrine” is itself not a mark of the Church, since a mark is something that is more easily recognized as true, than the Church itself, which is not the case with doctrine (e.g., it is not more easily recognized as true that the Holy Ghost proceeds from the Father and the Son, than from the Father alone. Thus, “apostolicity in doctrine” is not a mark of the Church, but it has always been alleged by heretics as a basis to reject the true Church in favor of their own sects. Van Noort explains: 

Apostolicity of doctrine should not be listed as a mark of the Church because it is not something obvious. Furthermore, it is not something easier to recognize than the true Church herself.  For it is extraordinarily difficult, in fact impossible, to have certitude about the entire body of doctrine taught by the apostles without the testimony of Christ’s Church.  It presumes, then, that the Church is already identified.  That is why the rule of faith has always been: find out who are the successors of the apostles, and which society is a continuation of the Church planted by the apostles, then you will be able to receive the pure and complete doctrine taught by the apostles.  Notice, too, that apostolicity of doctrine, taken all by itself would be only a negative mark of the Church; for there is nothing intrinsically contractor in the notion of having some sect retain the doctrine of the apostles in its entirety.  

  He goes on to explain where the mark of apostolicity is to be found: 

The mark of apostolicity then, is found in apostolicity of both membership and government. These two factors are, of course, only inadequately distinguished from one another. Even though this double sort of apostolicity is not obvious to all men, but only to those who are fairly well versed in history, it clearly fulfills all the requirements for a genuine mark. 

         Indeed, the mark of apostolicity is found most clearly in the Church’s membership and government, and not doctrine. Mario Derksen is not a member of this Church with the mark of apostolicity, nor is his sect a part of this Church’s divine government.

            Apostolicity in doctrine, properly understood, means the Church will always retain the same doctrines that it received from the Apostles.[23] Just as the mark of apostolicity guarantees that there will always be a body of Bishops (consisting of men who have mission and jurisdiction from the Pope), the attribute of infallibility guarantees that the Church will never impose a heresy upon the faithful to be believed with the assent of faith. This means that the Pope is only infallible when he is defining doctrine. If he is not defining doctrine, he is not divinely protected from error, or even wreaking havoc in the Church, as certain Popes throughout history, including the current one, have done.

       That being said, apostolicity in doctrine will survive, even in a severe doctrinal crisis within the Church itself, such as the Arian heresy of the fourth century. During the Arian crisis, the faith of many was shaken and a majority of bishops knowingly, or unknowingly, drifted into heresy (about the doctrine of the divinity of Christ, no less). Fr. Jurgens, who edited the book The Faith of the Early Fathers, estimated that between 97 and 99 percent of the episcopate (i.e., bishops in charge of diocese) fell into heresy.[24]  Yet in spite of that, the Church never definitively taught heresy, and the true Faith was persevered and continued to be professed by a majority of the laity.

Cardinal Newman, who studied the Arian crisis in depth, explains that during that extraordinary crisis, “There was the temporary suspense of the function of Ecclesia Docens [the teaching Church – the hierarchy]. The body of bishops failed in their confession of the faith.  They spoke variously, one against another; there was nothing, after Nicaea, of firm, unvarying, consistent testimony, for nearly sixty years.[25] 

         This historical precedent serves as a useful reminder for our own times, by showing what can and indeed has happened in the true Church.  When considering the unspeakable torments that Christ endured during His Passion, we should expect that during the Passion of the Mystical Body of Christ, God will permit the Church to endure virtually all that it can endure, without any of His promises being violated, the most obvious being her indefectibility.  Therefore, in the present trial of the Church, it is useful to consider what has occurred in the Church, in order to know what can occur without the gates of hell prevailing against it.  

And in spite of the current crisis in the Church, all the dogmas remain on the books and no erroneous “dogma” has been defined and proposed for belief. The Faith of the Church remains the same today as it was during the pontificate of Pius XII. This fact will help us persevere and remain in the indefectible Church with the mark of apostolicity, and not defect into a heretical sect as Mr. Derksen has done. Indeed, Mario Derksen is a notorious heretic who denies the Catholic Faith including the Catholic dogma of indefectibility.

But let’s give Mr. Derksen a chance to prove us wrong by asking him, again, to answer this one simple question: 

MR. DERKSEN, WHICH BISHOPS IN THE WORLD  TODAY HAVE JURISDICTION?

   



[1] The Church would also no longer be One, Holy or Catholic, but as we will see, Apostolicity (formal apostolic succession) is the surest and most obvious sign of Christ’s true Church.

[2] The Protestants of yesterday, like the Sedevacantists of today, identified indefectibility, not with the visible, hierarchical social unit of the Church (to which the Promises of Christ apply), but rather with the visibility of individual Christians who “profess the true faith.”

[3] De Romano Pontifice, bk, 4, ch. 25.

[4] The Council of Trent, On the Sacrament of Order, Canon VI.—“If any one saith, that, in the Catholic Church there is not a hierarchy by divine ordination instituted, consisting of bishops, priests, and ministers; let him be anathema.”

[5] The translation used in the original was replaced by the Douay Rheims translation.

[6] Christ’s Church, pp. 37-38 (emphasis added).

[7] To be clear, the Teaching Body consists of the bishops who have been chosen and given mission and jurisdiction from a Pope.

[8]  Joseph Wilhelm and Thomas Scannell, A Manual of Catholic Theology, vol. I, 3rd ed. (New York, Cincinnati, Chicago: Benzinger Bros., 1906), pp. 45-46.

[9] The commentary on Romans 10:15 in the Douay Rheims Bible says: “’Unless they be sent": Here is an evident proof against all new teachers, who have all usurped to themselves the ministry without any lawful mission, derived by succession from the Apostles, to whom Christ said, John 20. 21, ‘As my Father hath sent me, I also send you.’”

[10] Herrmann, Theologiæ Dogmaticæ Institutiones, vol. I (Rome: Pacis Philippi Cuggiani, 1897), n. 282 (emphasis added).

[11] Christ’s Church, p. 152 (emphasis in original).

[12] Ibid., p. 153.

[13] Berry, The Church of Christ, p. 78.

[14] Pope Leo XIII: “just as it is necessary that the authority of Peter should be perpetuated in the Roman Pontiff, so, by the fact that the bishops succeed the Apostles, they inherit their ordinary power, and thus the episcopal order necessarily belongs to the essential constitution of the Church.” (Satis Cognitum, #14, 1896).  Van Noort: “there will always be in the Church a body of men invested with that threefold power which the apostles enjoyed. This thesis is a dogma of faith…” (Van Noort, Christ’s Church, p. 37).

[15] Catholic Encyclopedia (1913), vol. I, p. 648 (emphasis added).

[16] Pius XII, Mystici Corporis Christi, No. 42 (emphases added). For centuries there were two general opinions regarding how a bishop receives his authority. The minority opinion held that authority was given to the bishop immediately by Christ at his ordination, and that the Pope merely designated him to a particular diocese, or perhaps fulfilled some condition required before Christ would immediately and directly grant the jurisdiction. The majority opinion held that jurisdiction comes to the bishop directly through the Pope, and only indirectly by Christ. In Mystici Corporis Christi, Pius XII gave his judgment by explicitly teaching the majority opinion, i.e., that bishops receive their jurisdiction “directly from the Supreme Pontiff.

[17] Ad Sinarum Gentem (October 4, 1957), No. 9.

[18] Encyclical letter “Mystici Corporis,” June 29, 1943: AAS 35 (1943) 211-212.

[19] Encyclical epistle "Ad Sinarum gentem," Oct. 7, 1954: AAS 47 (1955) 9.

[20] Pius XII, Ad Apostolorum Principis, N. 39 - 40, June 29, 1958.

[21] Cajetan, De Comparatione Auctoritatis Papae et Concilii, ch. XIX.

[22] De Romano Pontifice, lib. iv, cap xiv.

[23] Ibid.

[24] “At one point in the Church’s history, only a few years before Gregory [Nazianzen]’s present preaching (A.D. 380), perhaps the number of Catholic bishops in possession of sees, as opposed to Arian bishops in possession of sees, was no greater than something between 1% and 3% of the total. Had doctrine been determined by popularity, today we should all be deniers of Christ and opponents of the Spirit.” Jurgens, The Faith of the Early Fathers, vol. 2 (Collegeville, Minnesota: Liturgical Press, 1979), p. 39.

[25] Newman, Arians of the Fourth Century, 5th ed. (London: Pickerins & Co, 1883), p. 466.