Sedevacantist Watch

In this section, we will respond to Sedevacantists' attempted refutations of our book and articles, including those published by Fr. Anthony Cekada and his disciple Mario Derksen (who runs the Sedevacantist website NovusOrdoWatch). 

  Mario Derksen,  Source 
Fr. Anthony Cekada
                                     
                                                                                  
FEATURE ARTICLES


FORMAL REPLY TO FR. KRAMER, PART II


Exposing the Errors of Fr. Paul Kramer
on
Mystici Corporis Christi


       One of the common errors among Sedevacantists is the belief that the sin of heresy causes the loss of papal office/jurisdiction. The error is based, in part, on a misunderstanding of a quotation from Pope Pius XII’s encyclical Mystici Corporis Christi, which will be addressed at length in this installment. Those who embrace this error quickly take it upon themselves to judge whether or not the Pope has committed the sin of heresy (while at the same time declaring “no one can judge the Pope”), and if they personally judge that he has, they immediately conclude that he is no longer Pope. The really “courageous” ones will then publicly declare him to be an antipope, formally separate from him, and accuse those who see through their errors of being too cowardly to call a spade a spade.
       And to be clear, for those who embrace “the sin of heresy causes the loss of office” theory, it isn’t necessary for the Pope to publicly admit that he denies a dogma. All that is required is that he seems to be a heretic to them. They take the Douglas Adams approach to reach their verdict – namely, if he walks like a heretic and quacks like a heretic, he must be a heretic; and if he’s a heretic, he’s not the Pope.  Continue reading.

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       In this four part series, we will reply to Fr. Kramer’s 250 page attack on True or False Pope?  In Part I, we will address three key “heresies” Fr. Kramer accuses us of holding concerning the specific issue of how heresy severs a person from the Church, from which are borne the two main straw man arguments he attacks throughout his book. We will demonstrate that all three accusations are entirely false by quoting directly from our book.  Once these accusations of heresy are shown to be false, the two main straw man arguments – which together constitute the foundation he spends most of his time attacking - will be removed; and when the foundation is taken away, all the arguments and false accusations of heresy erected upon it will crumble (which will then require that Fr. Kramer re-write his entire “refutation”).   Click here for Part I 


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"(…) The principal question is whether [the Pope] could be deprived of the papacy against his own will, for it is not evident who would deprive him of it; for no one is immediately deposed by God—for there is nothing in the ordinary Divine Law on this matter; nor should we expect God to do it in an extraordinary way.  Then again, there is no man who can depose the Pope from the papacy, since the Pope has no superior on earth, according to the twelfth Distinction [of the Decree of Gratian], chapter Nunc autem."  Continue reading.

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"I say that manifest heretics, unless they are denounced by name, or themselves depart from the Church, retain their jurisdiction and validly absolve.  This is proved by the Bull of Martin V…” 


The following excerpt from Charles Rene Billuart’s celebrated book, Summa St. Thomae, explains that heretical prelates retain their jurisdiction until a declaratory sentence is issued by the proper authorities.  He makes an exception, however, for a prelate who openly leaves the Church. He also refutes the common Sedevacantist error which maintains the Catholics are forbidden to receive the sacraments from undeclared heretics – that is, heretical clerics who are being tolerated by the Church.  Lastly, he explains that the common opinion is that a manifestly heretical pope retains his jurisdiction until he is declared a manifest heretic by the Church. Continue reading…

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JOHN OF ST. THOMAS, O.P.: COMPLETE TREATISE ON THE LOSS OF OFFICE FOR A HERETICAL POPE

On the Authority of the Supreme Pontiff, Disp. 2, Art. 3

Whether a Pope can be Deposed by the Church, even as he is Elected by her; and in what Cases?

"It cannot be held that the pope, by the very fact of being a heretic, would cease to be pope antecedently [prior] to a declaration of the Church.  It is true that some seem to hold this position; but we will discuss this in the next article.  What is truly a matter of debate, is whether the pope, after he is declared by the Church to be a heretic, is deposed ipso facto by Christ the Lord, or if the Church ought to depose him.  In any case, as long as the Church has not issued a juridical declaration, he must always be considered the pope, as we will make more clear in the next article."  Continue...

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“PROFESSION OF THE TRUE FAITH”
How is the juridical bond severed?
     
St. Robert Bellarmine
       In this important article, we will consider, in particular, the juridical bond of unity consisting of the “profession of the true faith.” We will consider the formal and material aspects of this bond, and see how the juridical bond is formally severed. Continue...

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A RENOWNED 17TH CENTURY CANONIST

       Those who have carefully read the writings of Sedevacantists over the years are no doubt familiar with their tactics. If they happen upon a quotation that they think supports their position, the author in question will be praised to the skies and the quotation presented as absolute and irrefutable “proof” for their position. This is the case with any quotation that can be spun to support their position. On the other hand, when the quotation from an authority of equal or even greater weight is presented that explicitly and directly refutes their position, they simply ignore it. Or, if pressed to comment, they will simply declare that he is wrong, and move on without a second thought. They will even do this when they are presented with quotations of their own favorite theologians, when the particular quotation directly refutes their position. When they believe the theologian agrees with them, he is treated as an infallible oracle whose teaching cannot be doubted; when the same theologian disagrees with them, they will respond by saying “Theologians are not infallible!”
       For those Sedevacantists who are of good will (and based on some recent e-mails we’ve received, there are many of you out there), we are going to provide a quotation from one of the greatest canonists of the early seventeenth century, which directly and explicitly refutes the Sedevacantist position. Continue...

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  1. E-MAIL EXCHANGE BETWEEN JOHN SALZA AND FR. KRAMER (9-15-16)
  2. FR. ANTHONY CEKADA CAUGHT IN ANOTHER LIE –PART II (9-12-16)  
  3. FR. ANTHONY CEKADA CAUGHT IN ANOTHER LIE IN HIS LATEST VIDEO (9-5-16)  
  4. RESPONDING TO FR. KRAMER'S INTERPRETATION OF BELLARMINE (8-15-16
  5. DID GOD KILL FR. GRUNER FOR RECOGNIZING FRANCIS AS POPE? FR KRAMER SAYS YES (8-19-16) 
  6. PAUL KRAMER ARGUES PRIVATE JUDGMENT PREVAILS OVER THE PUBLIC JUDGMENT OF THE CHURCH (8-11-16)    
  7. FR. PAUL KRAMER REJECTS THE COMMON THEOLOGICAL OPINION ON THE LOSS OF OFFICE FOR AHERETICAL POPE. (8-2-16)
  8. FR. KRAMER CITES A FRAUDULENT "QUOTE" TO JUSTIFY HIS REJECTION OF TRADITIONAL CATHOLIC THEOLOGY (7/28/16)  
  9. JOHN LANE’S E-MAIL CAMPAIGN TO DISCREDIT “TRUE OR FALSE POPE?” EXPOSED
  10. PETER DIMOND REFUTED ONCE AGAIN ON THE NEW RITE OF ORDINATION (4/1/16)   
  11. “PROFESSION OF THE TRUE FAITH”: CATHOLIC DEFINITION VS. SEDEVACANTIST DEFINITION (3/19/16)   
  12. RESPONSE TO MARIO DERKSEN'S LATEST WEBCAST (3/15/16)       
  13. FR.CEKADA ACCUSES ARCHBISHOP LEFEBVRE OF BEING A SEDEVACANTIST! (3/5/16)  
  14. PETER DIMOND’S ERROR ON THE NEW RITE OF ORDINATION (2/24/16)  
  15. BISHOP DONALD SANBORN EXPELLED A SEMINARIAN FOR ADHERING TO A TEACHING OF BILLOT! (2/20/16)
  16. WHY BISHOP SANBORN REJECTS THE PAPACY OF JOHN XXIII – YOU WON’T BELIEVE THIS! (2/18/16)
  17. SEDEVACANTISM KILL CHAIN (2/16/16)    
  18. MARIO DERSKEN’S ERRONEOUS ANALOGY ON THE PASSION OF THE CHURCH (2/15/16)  
  19. OUR REPLY TO CEKADA’S LATEST VIDEO (2/13/16) OUR   
  20. A POINT-BY-POINT REFUTATION OF MARIO DERKSEN ON NESTORIUS  (2/7/16) 
  21.  A RENOWNED 17TH CENTURY CANONIST REFUTES SEDEVACANTISM
  22. OUR REPLY TO FR. CEKADA'S SECOND VIDEO AGAINST TOFP (2/3/16)    
  23. MARIO DERKSEN HAS NO ANSWER 
  24. SEDEVACANTISM PROVEN FALSE BY THE CASE OF NESTORIUS  
  25. SEDEVACANTISTS REJECT PRE-VATICAN II POPES
  26. MEET THE SEDEVACANTIST ANTI-POPES
  27. HERESY: THE HEART OF SEDEVACANTISM
  28. PART I: MARIO DERKSEN'S ERROR ON FACT VS. LAW
  29. FR. CEKADA'S NOVEL THEORY: THE SIN OF HERESY CAUSES THE LOSS OF OFFICE
  30. QUESTIONING FR. CEKADA’S JUDGMENT
  31. FR. CEKADA RECOGNIZES AND RESISTS POPE PIUS XII
  32. FATHER CEKADA'S GLARING ERROR ON CANON 151
  33. THE SEDEVACANTIST’S IRRATIONAL RESPONSE TO THE BOOK, TRUE OR FALSE POPE?

2 comments:

ILLYRICUM SACRUM - ZEF TRABOINI said...

Good day gentlemen!

I would have a little question regarding your book "The True or False Pope"; it is actually a very important argument which I didn't find developed in your study; the question is this:

On 20 October 1870, due to grave circumstances, Pope Pius IX suspended the Vatican Council with his Bull "Postquam Dei Munere" and ordered, under the curse of God and of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul, to resume and end the Council, which had to be done by another Pope, at a proper time in the future.

On October 11th, 1962, John XXIII publically announced the opening of the Second Vatican Council, without ever mentioning the First Vatican Council.

Is it possible for the Holy See to call a Second Vatican Council without ending the First Vatican Council, as Pope Pius IX ordered under pain of double malediction?

Thank for your attention,

Joseph

TrueorFalsePope said...

Pope John XXIII formally closed the First Vatican Council in 1960, during preparations for Vatican II.